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andy1canada
Posted 2018-12-20 7:05 PM (#6144 - in reply to #6035)
Subject: Re: #846 Cummins Swap.


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Perhaps there was some variation but I should concede that my measurements were all at the perimeter and there could have been some burrs that compromised the thickness. A micrometer would tell the tale accurately.

While I have you on the phone, Len, allow me to focus for a second on what you said previously about the bumper being 1/8" thick "plated" stainless.

Are you sure these things are plated? By 'plating' do you mean chromed? Mine appears raw stainless plate with no plating; perhaps polished/buffed some to get that finish.

I do know that these suckers are hard and likely pretty high on the Rockwell scale. I fried several (cheap) titanium drill bits trying to drill a couple of 3/8" holes in it.

Terry
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hemi354az
Posted 2018-12-20 7:21 PM (#6145 - in reply to #6144)
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Right there in the FMC Parts Manual. Stainless bumpers available from #440 up. Sparkle on and on and on ! Lou #120
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B. Sitton
Posted 2018-12-20 8:50 PM (#6146 - in reply to #6145)
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The stainless bumpers are a brushed finish, not chrome. Chrome are chromed steel.
I’d be looking to add structure instead of loosing it for weight loss. Adding what you are with the Cummins.
Bill
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LCAC_Man
Posted 2018-12-21 8:23 AM (#6147 - in reply to #6146)
Subject: Re: #846 Cummins Swap.


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Mine are definitely plated, maybe something a previous owner did. I'll have to actually confirm whether or not they are stainless (was an assumption on my part). They may in fact just be chrome plated steel.


Edited by LCAC_Man 2018-12-21 8:25 AM
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andy1canada
Posted 2018-12-21 8:31 AM (#6148 - in reply to #6035)
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I assume if you buffed/polished the crap out of it that it'd shine like chrome, same as aluminum.

Prolly some compound you could get for a wheel like what they do polishing Airstreams & airplanes.

Terry
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hemi354az
Posted 2018-12-21 12:00 PM (#6149 - in reply to #6148)
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I cannot let this shiny stainless opportunity pass . . .
Terry's #6148 comment above earns SPECIAL RECOGNITION among the FMC Turd Polishers Club whose motto is: The harder you rub . . . the Duller IT Gets. Well said Terry !
Lou #120
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hemi354az
Posted 2018-12-21 12:15 PM (#6150 - in reply to #6147)
Subject: Re: #846 Cummins Swap.


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Reply to Message #6147

FMC 2900R Parts Manual
Section 1 - Frame Assembly
Front Bumper
(Chrome or Silver Finish - Coach #0001 thru #00440)
(Stainless Steel or Chrome Finish - Coach #00441 and up)
Rear Bumper
(Chrome or Silver Finish - Coach #0001 thru #00440)
(Stainless Steel or Chrome Finish - Coach #00441 and up)

Key Word - OR.
Pretty self explanatory . . . at least to me.
BUMP ON ! Lou #120

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andy1canada
Posted 2018-12-24 10:05 AM (#6154 - in reply to #6035)
Subject: RE: #846 Cummins Swap.


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Took off the left side lower skirt and pulled the rad last night.

http://www.fmcowners.com/mbbs22/photos/photo-thumbnails.asp?msg=upd...

Gave me a better perspective on the substance of the aft engine-mount cross member support. Hard to figure you'd need, BOTH, that huge cross member AND an additional 90-pound iron bumper-behemoth cross member to stiffen up that engine bed framework assembly sufficiently. (?) Still strikes me as overkill.

Weighed the rad and all support & shroud structure:

Rad (drained) = 95 lbs.
Complete support assembly = 35 lbs.

Total = 130 lbs.

This is a lot heavier than anticipated and that, along with it's age, will preclude me reusing it.

I will find an aluminum unit with the comparable 30" x 30" x 2 3/4" core size and look to lose another 50 - 70 lbs off the ass-end of #846.

Have a Great Holiday Season All!

Terry & Family and Solo (our canine child... with a few issues).

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LCAC_Man
Posted 2018-12-24 6:24 PM (#6155 - in reply to #6154)
Subject: Re: #846 Cummins Swap.


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if you can find one of these for a decent price you could make it work:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Radiator-FOR-2010-2011-2012-2018-Freigh...ssAAOSwp7Rb8xYa:rk:43:pf:0
I played with the idea of using one when I did mine, in the end the original just worked too well to make the change.
It would be a lot lighter...but not as light as your wallet..
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andy1canada
Posted 2019-01-02 8:29 PM (#6157 - in reply to #6155)
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Howdy,

Sold the 440' & two 727's today. Guess I gotta' pull it for sure now. Buyer (nice guy and serious Mopar nut) even offered to help pull it. Stoked!

BTW: this fellow - who's built many 440's in his life - swears up and down that a fully dressed 440' (w/fluids) weighs in at - 850 lbs.

That's at least 100 lbs heavier than I'd been led to believe.

Makes my weight-loss program more doable :-0

Happy New Year to all!

Terry
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LCAC_Man
Posted 2019-01-03 7:52 AM (#6158 - in reply to #6157)
Subject: Re: #846 Cummins Swap.


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A 100lbs more than a cast iron street hemi or truck V10? okay...maybe with the 727 still attached.
How about you post up what your "before" rear axle weight was and then when you're done post up your "after".
http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArticles/5engineweights.php

Edited by LCAC_Man 2019-01-03 7:53 AM
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andy1canada
Posted 2019-01-03 8:09 AM (#6159 - in reply to #6035)
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It's what he said; claims he's weighed it fully dressed. Swore up and down. Then sideways.

I'll double check to see if he meant with the tranny... and him sitting on top of the engine. He's a big guy so who knows.

Found the GVW info I had from previously in an email folder.

Says with the fuel and water tanks half-full it weighed 14,500/lbs with the Yammy genset replacing the Onan. I know the Yammy is 160 lbs lighter.

Problem is, when I went on the scale, I don't remember if I had the wife, dog, and my four cousins from Kamloops on board with me :-0

Going to have to keep weighing stuff as it goes on and off the coach. Will have to drive 20 miles or more to the scale to weigh the 440' when it comes out. Aggg-hhhh!

Terry
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LCAC_Man
Posted 2019-01-03 8:25 AM (#6160 - in reply to #6159)
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14500(14472 actually) is what mine was (weight certificate in the mass of documents I got with it) so that must be pretty common to stock rigs. I'm at 15,200 now. I made a concentrated effort to strip out anything I wasn't going to use rather than leave it in place.
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B. Sitton
Posted 2019-01-03 8:55 AM (#6161 - in reply to #6160)
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On the way home from the first mega rally in Minden Nebraska I ran #902 across the scales, 15,200 lbs. Wife kids and all our gear.
Thats a pretty much bone stock coach. 8 track included.
Bill.
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LCAC_Man
Posted 2019-01-03 5:19 PM (#6162 - in reply to #6035)
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Yeah, mine was with no passengers, limited "stuff and gear" I didn't think to bring the 8-track :D
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andy1canada
Posted 2019-01-03 5:57 PM (#6163 - in reply to #6035)
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What's an '8-track'?

Terry
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dkarnath
Posted 2019-01-03 7:20 PM (#6164 - in reply to #6163)
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I've got an '8-track' in #850, the really funny part about is, that it doesn't even work. The radio works good, but the player needs a new wheel or something put in.
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andy1canada
Posted 2019-01-03 8:01 PM (#6165 - in reply to #6035)
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I remember my first 8-track I got for my 72' Datsun pickup I bought in 75' (with some help from my Pa); it was the latest Craig 'Powerplay' that featured an unprecedented "5-watts" of Herculean audio-bliss. To that point the Who never sounded better. IIRC I think it had separate bass and treble controls - WOW!

Time flies...

Terry
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B. Sitton
Posted 2019-01-04 8:46 AM (#6167 - in reply to #6165)
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My first 8-track was also a Craig powerplay, 1976. The original unit in #902 works great. In Chama, Boo (our little dog) and I played a CW McCall tape loud enough to offset the fireworks. Wolf creek pass, silverton train, Black bear pass, he loved Colorado.
Bill
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andy1canada
Posted 2019-01-06 8:44 PM (#6168 - in reply to #6035)
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Howdy,

Got my tarp-shed raised up another 6 inches today to make more room to put up the coach. 12 poles shimmed-up with 4 pcs each of 2-by's. What a PITA!

Got the coach raised about 6 or 8 inches then it got dark so I quit. Will finish that tomorrow and prepare the mill & tranny to be pulled.

Oh, before I forget: FMC RV-TV is alive! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSdGaP-u8us

Forgive the spontaneity because that's exactly what it is - shoot from the hip with no rehearsal.

I'll be posting more and hopefully the quality will get better as I am completely new at this. I'm hoping that all owners will be able to use this channel as they please to add their stuff, too.

I did this with my crappy old (7 yrs) Samsung android so cut me a little slack on the quality :-o

Cheers,
Terry
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LCAC_Man
Posted 2019-01-07 2:12 PM (#6169 - in reply to #6168)
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I bought a box of microwave popcorn...I'm ready to be entertained.
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andy1canada
Posted 2019-01-07 7:31 PM (#6170 - in reply to #6035)
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Made good on some time with my extra day off today and got the coach up and (laser) level. Four six-ton stands at each corner with the diff blocked up with wood-blocking for a back-up. Back-ups are good.

If the four corner jacking-points are sufficient references for leveling the coach on stands, I got the left to right (fore & aft) to within 1/8" inch of each side and front to back with the front of the coach just 1/4" higher than the rear. I'll live with that for now as it's set up on packed road-base, so it could move some over time.

The lower edge of the rear upper fiberglass panel (where tail lights reside) is about 59" above ground. This appears the lowest spot I have to clear to get the engine out. I measured the (approx) height of my pickers top beam and it should just weasel-in level above the engine once the air-box is off the carb. Fingers crossed.

Won't get to the rest of the goodies to be undone before next Sat. Will try to post more pics if we pull it on Sunday as planned. The fellow that bought the engine and tranny's offered to help me pull it. Unlike me, he actually knows what he's doing so I'm going to take him up on his offer.

More later.

Terry
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Edited by andy1canada 2019-01-07 7:36 PM
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andy1canada
Posted 2019-01-13 7:47 PM (#6180 - in reply to #6035)
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Howdy,

Finally got the 440' & trans out of her today.

http://www.fmcowners.com/mbbs22/photos/show-album.asp?albumid=191&p...

Thanks to Paul, the buyer, and his son for the timely help. These two moved like seasoned pro's and it was all over but the crying in less than 1.5 hrs.

All I had to do, for the most part, after they showed up was sawzall the exhaust out of her then unbolt the carb, two cross members and the u-joint. Paul suggested we leave the trans x-member and slide the works out over it - NOT! Nearly reshaped the bedroom floor on the first attempt.

Was hoping to do another short video but too rushed and too tired so just took a pic when it was gone. Kicked myself afterwards for not getting a pic of the whole works hanging on the crane when it was out.

FWIW: my fancy new load-leveler never came into play. Billy was right again, as usual. There's simply not enough room above the engine to make use of it. My HD cherry-picker's chain-hook also had to be shortened down to just two links from six. Thankfully the boys brought a carb lifting-plate that worked like a charm; moreover, with the trans attached to the engine it proved to be the nearly perfect balance point for the mass.

Before they showed up I set up sheets of plywood on the ground earlier today then positioned the picker to see if I'd jacked her up high enough... nope!

Had to raise the ass-end up another 6" or so for it to clear. That put the lower fiberglass bottom edge (the lowest point the picker has to clear) at 64" inches above the top of the plywood.

She's sitting at a rather precarious angle right now. Me thinks I'll have to raise the front end to level the coach again so I can do the fitment and engine mount work for the Cummins. That'll put all four wheels 12" or more off the ground.

Enjoying a couple of well-earned brewski's tonight.

More later.

Cheers,
Terry
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LCAC_Man
Posted 2019-01-14 2:03 PM (#6181 - in reply to #6180)
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12" would be perfect, I had mine at 10" and had to get creative with the hoist attachment. It's nice to have that extra on the underside as well for all the wiring rework, airbag install and fab on the trans crossmember.
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BigRabbitMan
Posted 2019-01-14 2:35 PM (#6182 - in reply to #6035)
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Yes, you will spend a lot of time under there!
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